I would have to disagree, if just because your metaphorical heart and mind don’t always get along. Some people are more inclined to follow one over the other. While emotions might just be chemicals in our brain, we’d be remiss if we ignored the fact that they do cause people to ebb a certain way.
That’s what psychotherapy is for. That’s what psychoanalysis is for. Is there anything more exciting than to see someone’s actions dictated solely on their emotions. How people instinctively choose something based on their brain chemistry? How fascinating it is to watch one’s resilience and the achievements they can accomplish simply by feeling strong emotions. How one’s emotional memory can completely change them as a person?? How someone’s past shapes them? How taking away everything from someone to see what their breaking point is? It’s all fascinating.
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Sorry, I’m rambling. I got off topic, we’re focused on you. [ He shakes himself off a bit, like he’s getting himself focused again. ] I forget what point I was trying to make, but I have a question: Do you genuinely think you would not be gaining anything from pushing forward with the relationship? You don’t have to tell me the answer, but I want you to really think about it.
Furthermore, is it… the relationship progressing that bothers you, or is it the potential of messing not only it up but also the possibility of burning the whole bridge?
[It's hard to admit to... but he isn't getting anywhere by dancing around the topic. Mizuki has come close enough times already. Does it really matter if he knows?]
"Love" demands a greater amount of intimacy. Issues that won't come up between close friends might arise between lovers... it's already strange that he gravitates towards me, I can't imagine it holding up to scrutiny.
I panicked, so I ended things preemptively. I thought it would be easier.
[ He figured as much. Isn't that the main reason people don't do things? Anxiety, being afraid of risking it all, being afraid that you're putting your heart into someone's hands and also have a penchant for cutting people's hands off. Normal stuff. ]
It's true, love does demand that, and it's likely that you'll be putting in a lot more just to have the possibility of losing it, but... it isn't like you're not gaining anything in return. A closer bond is... always something people are seeking out, platonic or romantic. But more than that, love is often described as a "leap of faith" for that reason.
Let's focus on this first, though: Why do you think it's strange that he gravitates toward you, exactly?
I don't need a closer bond. I can live without it just fine. [He sounds pretty confident for a guy who lost his mind after one kiss and skipped straight to third base, but y'know.] I've never needed anything like that before. My work is already fulfilling.
Elsword is... well, he's popular. I could name at least two people who I'm certain would jump at the chance to have a more intimate relationship with him, and there's likely more than that. He doesn't have to settle for someone like me. A doctor with little to no experience with romantic relationships, I can't match him physically, and he's not really interested in science or medicine... I just don't see how we're even compatible.
[... he's being pretty hard on himself, and he knows that. At least he can accept that Elsword doesn't care about his physical imperfections. Why would he, when he's a seasoned warrior with many more scars than Add? Is that... why he made a big deal about Add's eye? Is he only attractive now because he's similarly scarred...
He shakes his head—getting off topic in there, stay focused.]
We're too different from each other. He'd be better off with someone else.
"Needing" and "wanting" are different things, Doctor.
[ He taps his fingers against his knees for a moment with a small hum. ]
Just because you don't have and romantic experience doesn't mean all that much, really. You can't really justify that if you're not willing to get that experience, anyway. [ Otome homework real???? He'll bring it up in a minute, probably- ] I think you're also just selling yourself far too short, Add. You are incredibly passionate about your interests, unafraid to make quick decisions, reliable, and very analytical. Why would he be "settling" for someone like that?
... Besides, even if that's all something that you disagree with...
[He's making a face again like he really wants to argue... maybe he could make decisions for Elsword's heart. If he used that...
... but it would be hard to operate when Elsword won't even speak to him anymore. Besides, there are better uses for that. Like making someone stay in love...
hmm.]
... Elsword has been a reliable friend to me, so I'd like to keep things genuine between us if I can. [????? that won't make sense without his internal monologue, but don't worry about it]
But I already said I had no feelings for him... he doesn't even want to talk to me right now. He's been sleeping out by the river for three days now. Should I... keep waiting?
[ Mizuki isn't even going to question it. That sounds like a good response? Why would he question that— ]
Well, from the sounds of it, you're still sorting your own headspace out. But I don't think you have to know that much to go talk to Elsword. It's important to apologize for hurting his feelings, at least. Because, um, it sounds like you did? And he's not going to come to you first if that happens, so… I think you should see him.
Leading with something to let him know that he doesn't need to talk to you if he's not ready to, but that you have some things you need to say. Even if it's just… "I'm sorry" and "I don't really know what any of this means right now". I think even that much will help Elsword understand where you are coming from.
If you'd like, you can practice what you want to say with me.
[... he was kind of hoping Mizuki would say to keep waiting. He can't put this off forever, but maybe just one more day?
He sighs, flopping back against the couch to stare up at the ceiling. He wants to sink into the floor... where does he even start with this? Would it... help to give more context first?]
... I wanted to see how far you'd go. The experiment was a success, so there's no need to repeat it. I already have the data I need.
Keep the kiss if you want to. It doesn't mean anything to me.
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That's what I said to him. [repeated word for word, as stoically as he had the first time.] ... before that, I tried to pretend it didn't happen, but that didn't work. He's probably mad about... both things...
[ Hm. How very middle of the road Mizuki feels about this, actually. On the one hand, the otome-loving, hopeless romantic side of him is saying of course he's fucking pissed about that. "It doesn't mean anything to me," when someone adores you like that is, perhaps, the actual worst thing you can say, period. Mizuki thinks this part of him would feel its heart shatter.
But on the other hand, the sort of disgusting, obsessive, loyal dog part of him is relatively unphased by this. He might not know Add as well as Elsword, but he knows him fairly well just from watching his behavior up until now. Is this not… something Elsword took into account? Surely it's one of Add's charms to be so curious about how people react to things and the data collected from responses under different circumstances and pressures—
How complicated… ]
Then, let me ask you something, do you feel bad about that because Elsword feels bad, or do you feel bad about it because you didn't mean it?
Ugh. Of course I was lying... if I had all the data, I wouldn't be here right now. [he also wouldn't be here if the kiss didn't mean anything...] Like I said, I panicked, so I just said what I thought would put an end to things.
If I could've said things differently... The experiment was a success, but the results are still inconclusive. Can we... repeat it again?
[...
it really doesn't sound romantic at all to him... also, if he tries to open with that now, Elsword will definitely get mad at him again.]
Mmmh, I think if you word it that way, Elsword might misinterpret it…? Just… as a reminder, Add, you did hurt Elsword. It'll go a long way if you show him a bit of vulnerability in turn…
[it's too late to use that as an argument, what with him pouring his heart out to Mizuki... but it's still hard to shake the aversion. this goes against everything he knows, everything he's taught himself to survive. will this come back to bite him someday?]
What if... he doesn't want to try again? If he'd rather not see me at all anymore... [if he tries to open up his heart only to be rejected... well, at least they'd be even.]
["Super fake" is how he'd describe himself, so maybe this otome is onto something. If it were something like a "Pure-hearted Knight" instead of a "Villainous Priest", it'd be perfect...]
So... I should try, and if it doesn't work, it wasn't love to begin with?
Well, I wouldn't invalidate Elsword's feelings like that, but it's highly possible, yes. That said, I'm sure it will work, Doctor Add, because I do genuinely think Elsword thinks the world of you.
[ And he's not just saying that because Elsword is his other patient, but rather because of what he's observed. ]
If you'd like, you can give it a little bit of time to think about it. I wouldn't wait too much longer, but I also don't want you to rush into it without a plan. In the meantime, maybe you could stay here at the therapy building? I could show you some games to play and stuff, and the stuffed animals are real comfy.
[He's quiet for a moment, still trying to sort out his complicated feelings... but eventually he sits back upright, pausing to adjust his hat and hair.]
That block puzzle with the tetrominoes. Let me try that one again.
[he is going to play Tetris until he beats it or until Mizuki tells him it doesn't actually have an ending... but also, he is going to play Tetris until his head is clear and not full of messy thoughts and he can put together a reasonable apology.]
[ Mizuki excitedly pulls Tetris from his bag. Does he just keep that on him? Yes. Absolutely. Anyway, he’ll join Add on the couch now that he’s not in therapy mode.
In fact, Mizuki seems to relax a lot. No more punctual sitting, no more mostly contemplative expressions, and even his voice is just a little more relaxed. ]
Here you go! I hope I helped a little, at least. I’m still tryna get better with this stuff, but I really wanna be able to help. Even if just a little. But stuff like that don’t usually come naturally…
[Dynamo also rises from their couchspot, clustering around both Add and Mizuki's shoulders. Relaxing isn't something Add is good at... but technology never fails to keep his mind busy. His eye lights up, focused intently on the screen.]
... I don't like to admit it, but this therapy of yours is more effective than I thought it would be. [who knew that talking about your feelings instead of bottling everything up would feel... better??] But also... promise me you won't speak of these meetings to anyone. I don't want them to think of me as anything but a perfect and capable doctor.
Ehehe!!! I wouldn't be doing it if it weren't~! We have quite a few therapists back home, too, and they're all pretty good at what they do. I can only hope to be a little more like them.
[ He kicks his legs, looking over Add's shoulder to watch him play. No pointers given, he just likes to watch people solve "puzzles" like this. ]
Don't worry. You're a doctor, you know how important patient confidentiality is~! But, um, for what it's worth, I still think you're a perfectly capable doctor even after all this! Things like this just get a little complicated for other people, I've realized. I don't hold any judgements against them, or you, for it. I don't think anyone else would, either.
[Mizuki thinks he's capable... part of him still wants to doubt, but he wants to believe it's true. Maybe he can't be honest with everyone, but if it's just one or two people... that can be his "support group", right?
... he'll need more time to gauge if he can talk about other things, but it's a start.]
This type of work isn't common in Elrios, but neither are skilled doctors... war and over-reliance on El makes travel difficult, and that prevents knowledge from spreading widely. If the current situation can be resolved, perhaps...
[imagine if they actually gave kids therapy instead of sending 13yos out to war............. but anyway, Add is actually pretty good at Tetris. it helps when you have a chip in your brain that can calculate the perfect move faster than human capabilities. he hasn't figured out how to do all those cool tricks like T-spins yet and he's not totally comfortable with the controls, but give him a few weeks and he'll be a pro.]
... Hm. This game isn't that complicated. I could program something similar...
Mmmh… really? That sucks… My therapist is perhaps one of the only reason I don't go saying stuff that makes people scared of me anymore. She kinda helps me understand people's perspectives a little better, I guess? I still have a real hard time with it, but at the end of the day, psychology itself will always remain fascinating enough to keep trying my best to say and do the things I believe I should be saying, rather than what I want to be saying.
…
Not that I'm telling you not to say what you want to be saying?? You should. But… umm… hm. I guess it's really complicated with me, actually.
[ Don't worry about this. He can just talk about Tetris more, he doesn't need to talk about himself any. It's fine. He's fine. ]
Yeah, it's probably one of the more simpler games? But I like the simple ones. They're more fun, in my opinion.
[... saying things you should be saying, rather than what you want to say. that's... hmm.
in retrospect, should he really be taking advice from someone who admittedly doesn't understand people that well?? but Mizuki has never been more relatable, so]
It's easier to get along with others if you can match their expectations. People fear what they don't understand, or what goes against their personal morals and beliefs. Show your hand too easily and you'll be torn down by those against you.
But you've been an asset to me so far... so I wouldn't mind seeing your true face, even if it's something ugly, kukuku...
[the absolutely wild juxtaposition of a serious talk about lies and honesty complete with a villain laugh immediately followed by Add getting a Tetris or something. vibeo gaems.]
Simplicity isn't a bad thing, for something like this. Simple base concept means it's quicker to explain and easier to expand upon in the future. I could rebuild this in three dimensions, or maybe expand on the user input options... [he is going to make Tetris..... 2!! (don't tell him there's already a Tetris 2)]
[ He really shouldn't be talking to Mizuki about any of this, but, hey! Sometimes you have to make mistakes! And, at least Add is coming out of it with some genuinely good advice. Or, at least, he was. The moment he says… well, all of that, Mizuki gives a very relaxed smile. His tentacles unfurl behind him in a strange expression of appreciation, but all it does is make the shadows creep up the walls in an unsettling sort of way. ]
Do you think that, genuinely? You truly are too kind to us, Add. [ He's still just as calm as before, eyes on the Tetris game only briefly before he looks at the doctor fully. ] I wouldn't call it "ugly". We just see things a little different than other people sometimes, I suppose. We don't really know why.
But, if you were to ask our advice on this matter as your friend rather than anything else, then it's simple, really. Regardless of your feelings for Elsword, if you feel he is "yours" than you must treat him as such. You have to hold onto him and never let go. And if anyone else gets in the way of it, you simply just need to cut them out of the picture. Then he'll be in your grasp forever, and you'll both be much happier like that.
[ Haha… That's fine! Sound advice! Why is he talking in plural pronouns! There's a lot going on. He doesn't have any change in demeanor that states anything is amiss, though. In fact, he's pretty quick to swap topic back over to Tetris. ]
Kids like these sorts of games, usually. Expanding upon games like this is common, too. Would you like to play Puyo Puyo at some point?
[The sudden switch to "we" would be weirder if he didn't already know people like Ara, Laby and Noah...... more importantly, that advice is sound, as far as he's concerned. Totally unhinged, dangerously selfish, bordering on psychotic...
Hmm. He never thought he'd be encouraged like this, but it's kind of nice? His smile widens a little too much.]
I wouldn't let him go for the world. Knights are a valuable piece, after all.
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That’s what psychotherapy is for. That’s what psychoanalysis is for. Is there anything more exciting than to see someone’s actions dictated solely on their emotions. How people instinctively choose something based on their brain chemistry? How fascinating it is to watch one’s resilience and the achievements they can accomplish simply by feeling strong emotions. How one’s emotional memory can completely change them as a person?? How someone’s past shapes them? How taking away everything from someone to see what their breaking point is? It’s all fascinating.
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Sorry, I’m rambling. I got off topic, we’re focused on you. [ He shakes himself off a bit, like he’s getting himself focused again. ] I forget what point I was trying to make, but I have a question: Do you genuinely think you would not be gaining anything from pushing forward with the relationship? You don’t have to tell me the answer, but I want you to really think about it.
Furthermore, is it… the relationship progressing that bothers you, or is it the potential of messing not only it up but also the possibility of burning the whole bridge?
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[It's hard to admit to... but he isn't getting anywhere by dancing around the topic. Mizuki has come close enough times already. Does it really matter if he knows?]
"Love" demands a greater amount of intimacy. Issues that won't come up between close friends might arise between lovers... it's already strange that he gravitates towards me, I can't imagine it holding up to scrutiny.
I panicked, so I ended things preemptively. I thought it would be easier.
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It's true, love does demand that, and it's likely that you'll be putting in a lot more just to have the possibility of losing it, but... it isn't like you're not gaining anything in return. A closer bond is... always something people are seeking out, platonic or romantic. But more than that, love is often described as a "leap of faith" for that reason.
Let's focus on this first, though: Why do you think it's strange that he gravitates toward you, exactly?
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Elsword is... well, he's popular. I could name at least two people who I'm certain would jump at the chance to have a more intimate relationship with him, and there's likely more than that. He doesn't have to settle for someone like me. A doctor with little to no experience with romantic relationships, I can't match him physically, and he's not really interested in science or medicine... I just don't see how we're even compatible.
[... he's being pretty hard on himself, and he knows that. At least he can accept that Elsword doesn't care about his physical imperfections. Why would he, when he's a seasoned warrior with many more scars than Add? Is that... why he made a big deal about Add's eye? Is he only attractive now because he's similarly scarred...
He shakes his head—getting off topic in there, stay focused.]
We're too different from each other. He'd be better off with someone else.
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[ He taps his fingers against his knees for a moment with a small hum. ]
Just because you don't have and romantic experience doesn't mean all that much, really. You can't really justify that if you're not willing to get that experience, anyway. [ Otome homework real???? He'll bring it up in a minute, probably- ] I think you're also just selling yourself far too short, Add. You are incredibly passionate about your interests, unafraid to make quick decisions, reliable, and very analytical. Why would he be "settling" for someone like that?
... Besides, even if that's all something that you disagree with...
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... but it would be hard to operate when Elsword won't even speak to him anymore. Besides, there are better uses for that. Like making someone stay in love...
hmm.]
... Elsword has been a reliable friend to me, so I'd like to keep things genuine between us if I can. [????? that won't make sense without his internal monologue, but don't worry about it]
But I already said I had no feelings for him... he doesn't even want to talk to me right now. He's been sleeping out by the river for three days now. Should I... keep waiting?
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Well, from the sounds of it, you're still sorting your own headspace out. But I don't think you have to know that much to go talk to Elsword. It's important to apologize for hurting his feelings, at least. Because, um, it sounds like you did? And he's not going to come to you first if that happens, so… I think you should see him.
Leading with something to let him know that he doesn't need to talk to you if he's not ready to, but that you have some things you need to say. Even if it's just… "I'm sorry" and "I don't really know what any of this means right now". I think even that much will help Elsword understand where you are coming from.
If you'd like, you can practice what you want to say with me.
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He sighs, flopping back against the couch to stare up at the ceiling. He wants to sink into the floor... where does he even start with this? Would it... help to give more context first?]
... I wanted to see how far you'd go. The experiment was a success, so there's no need to repeat it. I already have the data I need.
Keep the kiss if you want to. It doesn't mean anything to me.
...
That's what I said to him. [repeated word for word, as stoically as he had the first time.] ... before that, I tried to pretend it didn't happen, but that didn't work. He's probably mad about... both things...
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But on the other hand, the sort of disgusting, obsessive, loyal dog part of him is relatively unphased by this. He might not know Add as well as Elsword, but he knows him fairly well just from watching his behavior up until now. Is this not… something Elsword took into account? Surely it's one of Add's charms to be so curious about how people react to things and the data collected from responses under different circumstances and pressures—
How complicated… ]
Then, let me ask you something, do you feel bad about that because Elsword feels bad, or do you feel bad about it because you didn't mean it?
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If I could've said things differently... The experiment was a success, but the results are still inconclusive. Can we... repeat it again?
[...
it really doesn't sound romantic at all to him... also, if he tries to open with that now, Elsword will definitely get mad at him again.]
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[it's too late to use that as an argument, what with him pouring his heart out to Mizuki... but it's still hard to shake the aversion. this goes against everything he knows, everything he's taught himself to survive. will this come back to bite him someday?]
What if... he doesn't want to try again? If he'd rather not see me at all anymore... [if he tries to open up his heart only to be rejected... well, at least they'd be even.]
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…
At least, that's what the otome "Why am I Loving the Villanous Priest? 'Cause I'm Super Fake." has taught me.
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["Super fake" is how he'd describe himself, so maybe this otome is onto something. If it were something like a "Pure-hearted Knight" instead of a "Villainous Priest", it'd be perfect...]
So... I should try, and if it doesn't work, it wasn't love to begin with?
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[ And he's not just saying that because Elsword is his other patient, but rather because of what he's observed. ]
If you'd like, you can give it a little bit of time to think about it. I wouldn't wait too much longer, but I also don't want you to rush into it without a plan. In the meantime, maybe you could stay here at the therapy building? I could show you some games to play and stuff, and the stuffed animals are real comfy.
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That block puzzle with the tetrominoes. Let me try that one again.
[he is going to play Tetris until he beats it or until Mizuki tells him it doesn't actually have an ending... but also, he is going to play Tetris until his head is clear and not full of messy thoughts and he can put together a reasonable apology.]
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In fact, Mizuki seems to relax a lot. No more punctual sitting, no more mostly contemplative expressions, and even his voice is just a little more relaxed. ]
Here you go! I hope I helped a little, at least. I’m still tryna get better with this stuff, but I really wanna be able to help. Even if just a little. But stuff like that don’t usually come naturally…
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... I don't like to admit it, but this therapy of yours is more effective than I thought it would be. [who knew that talking about your feelings instead of bottling everything up would feel... better??] But also... promise me you won't speak of these meetings to anyone. I don't want them to think of me as anything but a perfect and capable doctor.
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[ He kicks his legs, looking over Add's shoulder to watch him play. No pointers given, he just likes to watch people solve "puzzles" like this. ]
Don't worry. You're a doctor, you know how important patient confidentiality is~! But, um, for what it's worth, I still think you're a perfectly capable doctor even after all this! Things like this just get a little complicated for other people, I've realized. I don't hold any judgements against them, or you, for it. I don't think anyone else would, either.
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... he'll need more time to gauge if he can talk about other things, but it's a start.]
This type of work isn't common in Elrios, but neither are skilled doctors... war and over-reliance on El makes travel difficult, and that prevents knowledge from spreading widely. If the current situation can be resolved, perhaps...
[imagine if they actually gave kids therapy instead of sending 13yos out to war............. but anyway, Add is actually pretty good at Tetris. it helps when you have a chip in your brain that can calculate the perfect move faster than human capabilities. he hasn't figured out how to do all those cool tricks like T-spins yet and he's not totally comfortable with the controls, but give him a few weeks and he'll be a pro.]
... Hm. This game isn't that complicated. I could program something similar...
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Not that I'm telling you not to say what you want to be saying?? You should. But… umm… hm. I guess it's really complicated with me, actually.
[ Don't worry about this. He can just talk about Tetris more, he doesn't need to talk about himself any. It's fine. He's fine. ]
Yeah, it's probably one of the more simpler games? But I like the simple ones. They're more fun, in my opinion.
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in retrospect, should he really be taking advice from someone who admittedly doesn't understand people that well?? but Mizuki has never been more relatable, so]
It's easier to get along with others if you can match their expectations. People fear what they don't understand, or what goes against their personal morals and beliefs. Show your hand too easily and you'll be torn down by those against you.
But you've been an asset to me so far... so I wouldn't mind seeing your true face, even if it's something ugly, kukuku...
[the absolutely wild juxtaposition of a serious talk about lies and honesty complete with a villain laugh immediately followed by Add getting a Tetris or something. vibeo gaems.]
Simplicity isn't a bad thing, for something like this. Simple base concept means it's quicker to explain and easier to expand upon in the future. I could rebuild this in three dimensions, or maybe expand on the user input options... [he is going to make Tetris..... 2!! (don't tell him there's already a Tetris 2)]
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Do you think that, genuinely? You truly are too kind to us, Add. [ He's still just as calm as before, eyes on the Tetris game only briefly before he looks at the doctor fully. ] I wouldn't call it "ugly". We just see things a little different than other people sometimes, I suppose. We don't really know why.
But, if you were to ask our advice on this matter as your friend rather than anything else, then it's simple, really. Regardless of your feelings for Elsword, if you feel he is "yours" than you must treat him as such. You have to hold onto him and never let go. And if anyone else gets in the way of it, you simply just need to cut them out of the picture. Then he'll be in your grasp forever, and you'll both be much happier like that.
[ Haha… That's fine! Sound advice! Why is he talking in plural pronouns! There's a lot going on. He doesn't have any change in demeanor that states anything is amiss, though. In fact, he's pretty quick to swap topic back over to Tetris. ]
Kids like these sorts of games, usually. Expanding upon games like this is common, too. Would you like to play Puyo Puyo at some point?
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Hmm. He never thought he'd be encouraged like this, but it's kind of nice? His smile widens a little too much.]
I wouldn't let him go for the world. Knights are a valuable piece, after all.
Puyo Puyo... sure, show that one to me next.
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